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bassaddict
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Posted - 08 Mar 2010 : 7:31:44 PM
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My pleasure mate! The mould for the 1/8 ounce gives sufficient lead around the eye of the hook and the wire frame, but I couldn't imagine any smaller. If you ever feel inspired and curious enough, melt the lead off your 1/16 ounce spinnerbait and see how much lead actually surrounds the eye of the hook and the wire frame. There won't be too much.
Just remember to be careful with the fumes from the molten lead. It is harmful to your health if you're not careful. I wear protective gear and get a breeze blowing from behind me to move the fumes away from me.
I love my buzzbaits, and put it right up there with fly fishing for bass. Both are very exciting ways to catch bass and I can spend many happy hours fishing using either method. Come to think of it, I can spend many happy hours just fishing, but both these exciting techniques are awesome fun on bass.
Have fun with your buzzbaits mate, but don't be tempted to just cast and retrieve. Experiment with them and don't be afraid to let your imagination run a little wild as you are out there.
Cheers
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Ozzybass
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 Posted - 08 Mar 2010 : 11:57:40 PM
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Good stuff bassaddict! Agree! The only thing not mentioned with the response to Dishley's weight question is that if the head weight is too light, it may not offer enough resistance to buzz properly. It may only slide along the water surface(??). Probably the main thing is your castability comment.
Why don't you post some pix of yr HM buzzers? I for one am interested! |
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bassaddict
Ausbass Member
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Posted - 09 Mar 2010 : 2:06:10 PM
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I think the 1/16 ounce weight issue has something to do with blade size, as this is important as to how the buzzbait works in the various weights. If there were blades and a mould available for 1/16 ounce buzzbaits, it might work. I wouldn't trust the strength of the mould around the eye of the hook though. Bass really can hit buzzbaits with a lot of power, and from my experience with them, I think you need to have security around the eye of the hook.
There's also the problem of the buzzbait rolling onto its side if things aren't right with the blade.
As far as castability goes with a 1/16 ounce buzzbait, I think with thin braid you'd be able to do it okay. We've been casting soft plastics is all range of weights so I can't see the weight being a problem. Having said that, it would have to overcome a lot of drag. Four bladed buzzbaits offer a lot of drag through the air, and a double blade might not be suitable. It would really take some experimenting t oget it right, and to be a reliable bass catcher, but more importantly able to withstand the power of a bass and land them as well.
If Dishley was really keen to try a 1/16 ounce buzzbait, something like a Lee Shot Melter which is what I use will make the molten lead, and you can buy blank moulds which means you'll need to find someone who can make you a mould for the 1/16 ounce buzzbait. Then you'll have to work on your blades.
I'll try and get some pics up when I get a chance.
Cheers
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Dishley
Ausbass Member
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Posted - 09 Mar 2010 : 4:01:58 PM
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I've got a 1/16th secret ck spinner that i've landed some quality bass on, 410 was the largest so the hook is solid. It's lost it's spinner blades now so i might see what i can make out of it. However i only have plastic bladed buzzers and you're probably dead right about the weight underneath helping the plastic propellor spin, do you have a metal one i could buy off you Steve?? It's not really worth a net order for just one...
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The Shag
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Posted - 09 Mar 2010 : 11:34:23 PM
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Here's a pair my favourite's and a few fish that i have landed on em.......
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bassaddict
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Posted - 10 Mar 2010 : 09:26:12 AM
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PM me with your address Dishley and I'll send you some, as well as a few extra blades you may not have seen before.
I know how the SC jig heads are made mate. Great quality lures meant you could land fish like that.
I think the problem with a buzzbait that small, is where the wire meets the eye of the hook is the weakest point (other than your leader!) at the time you've got a fish on. Remember the fish is pulling one way and you're wanting it to go your way, and over the course of the fight that can be quite a bit of pressure. That lure will do that how many times in it's life? I have had a 1/8 buzzbait deform at the jig head.
Other quality hardbodied lures have better construction methods that maintain lure integrity over its life. Unless they are cheap imitations or former reputable lures which are now made elsewhere and not up to their original specifications. E.g Recent post on Aussbass about Chinese made Jitterbugs!
Do the following test with a spinnerbait and buzzbait that have the same diameter wire in their construction. Pick up a spinnerbait and pinch the attachment point for your line between your fingers, while you do the same to the bend of the hook with the other hand. Bend it and see what happens. Now do the same with a buzzbait. Remember that the buzzbait wire for a 1/16 ounce will be quite fine and you've got only a small amount of lead around your hook and wire. Think where the line attachment point is for a spinnerbait and a buzzbait is and the shape and length of the wires for both.That's only my theory by the way based on my experience with buzzbaits! What's everyone else think?
Soft plastic jigs heads in very small weights don't have the same problem because the hook simply has the lead moulded around it.
Not saying it wouldn't work Dishley. I love to experiment with lures myself, but I'd be more inclined to stick with a 1/8 ounce one as my smallest, and even then, it's not a size a use a lot of these days. For me it's 1/4's and 3/8's for the majority of the time. I've been working on some experimentals and variations of lures recently and will put up some pics in the next few days along with some pics of my homemade buzzbaits.
Makes for an interesting discussion though guys, especially on something that is not used as much as other techniques. Hopefully Ozzybass will be able to make use of this topic for his article.
Nice fish Shag. How long did that one go?
Cheers
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bassaddict
Ausbass Member
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Posted - 10 Mar 2010 : 09:33:02 AM
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PM me with your address Dishley and I'll send you some, as well as a few extra blades you may not have seen before.
I know how the SC jig heads are made mate. Great quality lures meant you could land fish like that.
I think the problem with a buzzbait that small, is where the wire meets the eye of the hook is the weakest point (other than your leader!) at the time you've got a fish on. Remember the fish is pulling one way and you're wanting it to go your way, and over the course of the fight that can be quite a bit of pressure. That lure will do that how many times in it's life? I have had a 1/8 buzzbait deform at the jig head, and that was probably due to a bad pour when it was moulded.
Other quality hardbodied lures have better construction methods that maintain lure integrity over its life. Unless they are cheap imitations or former reputable lures which are now made elsewhere and not up to their original specifications. E.g Recent post on Aussbass about Chinese made Jitterbugs!
Do the following test with a spinnerbait and buzzbait that have the same diameter wire in their construction. Pick up a spinnerbait and pinch the attachment point for your line between your fingers, while you do the same to the bend of the hook with the other hand. Bend it and see what happens. Now do the same with a buzzbait. Remember that the buzzbait wire for a 1/16 ounce will be quite fine and you've got only a small amount of lead around your hook and wire. Think where the line attachment point is for a spinnerbait and a buzzbait is and the shape and length of the wires for both.That's only my theory by the way based on my experience with buzzbaits! What's everyone else think?
Soft plastic jigs heads in very small weights don't have the same problem because the hook simply has the lead moulded around it.
Not saying it wouldn't work Dishley. I love to experiment with lures myself, but I'd be more inclined to stick with a 1/8 ounce one as my smallest, and even then, it's not a size a use a lot of these days. For me it's 1/4's and 3/8's for the majority of the time. I've been working on some experimentals and variations of lures recently and will put up some pics in the next few days along with some pics of my homemade buzzbaits.
Makes for an interesting discussion though guys, especially on something that is not used as much as other techniques. Hopefully Ozzybass will be able to make use of this topic for his article.
Nice fish Shag. How long did that one go?
Cheers
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bassaddict
Ausbass Member
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Posted - 10 Mar 2010 : 5:00:42 PM
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Dishley,
If you do decide to get a mould made up, I've got all the gear you need to make them up, but the blades might need to be different thatn what I have, but you're welcome to help you you if you wanted to go ahead.
Cheers
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bassaddict
Ausbass Member
527 Posts |
Posted - 10 Mar 2010 : 10:01:31 PM
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Check your PM's Dish!
Cheers
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The Shag
Ausbass Member
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Posted - 11 Mar 2010 : 10:19:56 AM
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Hi Steve, That last one went 485mm to the fork though my pb bass on buzz is 510mm @ the fork, it's great to see another fellow lure crafter on here aswell, the BZK-2-48 mold's produce a far better/superior BUZZBAIT than the older flat heart design (which i no longer use due to the super effectiveness of the above mentioned mold) giving us Australian lure crafter's more option's that are better siuted to our Native Fish Wild and Stocked, Whilst handing you the avid angler's and supporter's of Australian Made Fishing Tackle new product's....
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bassaddict
Ausbass Member
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Posted - 11 Mar 2010 : 8:28:59 PM
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Nice work mate! With fish like that on buzzbaits, I'm amazed that more anglers aren't using them.
You're dead right too on the mold you mentioned. I've used various models which featured various head designs, and by far the best one is the BZK molds. For those that don't know, these feature a keeled mold. These are the molds I use now for my buzzbaits. |
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The Shag
Ausbass Member
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Posted - 12 Mar 2010 : 11:13:00 AM
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Bassaddict, Bought my first BZK mold's almost 3 year ago since then i have ordered several more(have 8 now) added these to the three i have had tooled up by my local tool maker that i designed in cad.
You say your amazed that more anglers aren't using them when more and more angler's are now switching on to these highly effective surface lure's and leaving the A typical type bass surface lure's hanging on the rack's instead, i find this wonderful new's for people like us...
The Shag
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Bloomyaway
Ausbass Member
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Posted - 15 Mar 2010 : 1:41:59 PM
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Night time Buzz,
I must admit that all of my Buzz fishing is in the daylight hours, I have used them after dark a little with no success, comment anyone? The energy required quickly sends me to something which suits the after dark ambience.
Also if you have ever seen and heard a skink escaping across the water then you will know why buzz baits are effective, dead ringer for a metal bladed buzz bait. Water dragons tend to swim under the water but the skinks must not be so comfortable underneath and run like buggery to stay on top.
Also have never really used stinger hooks, probably do catch more fish but the question is, are they the big ones? or just the sub 300's which really if you miss them does it really matter?
Bloomy
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Ozzybass
Ausbass Member
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Posted - 15 Mar 2010 : 5:50:23 PM
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Originally posted by Bloomyaway
Night time Buzz,
Also have never really used stinger hooks, probably do catch more fish but the question is, are they the big ones? or just the sub 300's which really if you miss them does it really matter?
Bloomy
I kinda agree with you on the trailer hooks Matt. I really thought I needed them with Aussie Bass and they have certainly earnt their keep. BUT I tend to fish around Sydney where the fish are smaller & possibly more shy and also I tend to fish for numbers when I'm fishing a BassCatch. If fishing entirely for my own purposes, and if in Big Bass waters, I reckon I could leave them off. Certainly the bigger ones, from 250mm upwards have had no problem with swallowing both hooks which make it a little harder to unhook them. When I'm confident enough to go to a larger size buzzer in Oz, and I'm rapidly heading that way, I think a smaller trailer hook will come into its own again. Just my 2 cents. |
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bassaddict
Ausbass Member
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Posted - 15 Mar 2010 : 7:12:12 PM
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I have stingers on all my buzzbaits. I fish a lot in western Sydney and the bass see a lot of lures and become a little shy at times. While bass usually belt my buzzbaits, there have been times when they shy away as the approach the buzzbait. When this happens, I'm glad to be using a stinger hook. A lot of the bass that attack my buzzbaits where I fish strike the skirt only when no stinger is used. A stinger definitely makes a big difference for me.
Another tactic for bass which shy away, is to stop the retrieve and let the buzzbait sink. It's a similar tactic you use for spinnerbiats. Crazy to some people I guess, but you'd be surprised how many bass are hooked this way.
Just my two bobs worth.
Cheers
Steve |
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