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BIG
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 Posted - 23 Jul 2010 : 12:26:26 PM
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Show your support and vote in the poll, REMEMBER IT IS ELECTION TIME They are proposing 20 new marine parks in Vic with overwhelming support to the greens because the fisho have only just found out about it, they are also suggesting total closures and a group within NPA are looking at doing the same thing to freshwater regions.
There is a constant battle to preserve the right to partake in recreational fishing. The MPA group appear to be getting their way very easily.
http://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/article/2010/07/21/212001_fishing.html
There's a poll there as well, get a vote in!!!
http://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/opinion/index.html
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benny88
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Posted - 23 Jul 2010 : 3:48:28 PM
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| Sigh, an NGO goes and makes a rediculous proposal for more marine parks that was pretty much instantly shut down by the government and everyone runs around spreading this kind of hysteria. No one has got there way, the Victorian Government has taken a stand with recreational fishermen. People can make as many 'proposals' as they like and if the proposals are being considered and you disagree with said proposals you should stand up and fight but if you are going to post these things on public forums you need to check your facts first. |
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BIG
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Posted - 27 Jul 2010 : 09:24:41 AM
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Benny88 it never hurts to show your support and considering these sorts of polls made it all the way to the NSW parliament (I know personally)it is better for the fisherman to win them than lose them. All that was being asked was for 3 click of your mouse to either support or not depending on your personal view. I am aware that the murray river is being looked at for marine park status although this is for discussion at the moment.
Having said that you are correct in that the Vic Labor government has created a monitorium on NO further marine parks for the time being.
I attach the Vic government reponse for those interested.
Victorian government does not support further marine parks, for the next few years
Media release
From the Minister for Environment and Climate Change and
the Minister responsible for Fisheries
Thursday, 22 July, 2010
BRUMBY GOVERNMENT RULES OUT MORE MARINE PARKS
The Brumby Labor Government has not accepted a proposal to increase the number of marine parks in Victoria, the Minister for Environment and Climate Change, Gavin Jennings, said today.
Mr Jennings said the proposal contained in a report by the independent Victorian National Parks Association would not be acted on by the Brumby Labor Government.
“The Brumby Labor Government has ruled out creating more marine parks and will not amend the current marine national parks before the election or during the next term of government. This is similar to the moratorium introduced recently in New South Wales,” Mr Jennings said.
“While independent groups like the Victorian National Parks Association are free to put forward their views, this is not a proposal that the Brumby Labor Government is entertaining.
“Victoria’s marine national parks were established in 2002 in consultation with all stakeholders to protect marine life in those designated areas. Victoria has a world class system of 13 marine national parks and 11 smaller marine sanctuaries, protecting 5.3 per cent of our coastal waters.
“Our Government established those marine national parks in consultation with all stakeholders to protect marine life in those designated areas – and we are not changing these arrangements.”
The Minister Responsible for Fisheries, Joe Helper, said it was deeply disappointing that the Liberal and National parties had sought to deceive anglers by politically hijacking the issue and misrepresenting the Victorian Government’s position on the report.
Mr Helper said the Brumby Labor Government had a strong track record supporting recreational fishing.
“We are investing heavily in recreational fishing and are not going to close down those opportunities all Victorians are now enjoying,” he said.
The Victorian Government has committed:
• $13.5 million for an Enhanced Recreational Fishing Program which includes the target to increase fish stocks by 30 per cent;
• $1.3 million to build a new native fish hatchery at Snobs Creek;
• $5 million to buy back licences in the Western Zone Rock Lobster industry to ensure that particular fishery remained sustainable; and
• $3.2 million to the Go Fishing in Victoria initiative to improve fishing infrastructure around the state and encourage Victorian families to go fishing.
“The Brumby Labor Government will continue to work with organisations such as the Futurefish Foundation, the Australian Trout Foundation, Native Fish Australia and the Victorian Recreational Fishing roundtable to grow participation in recreational fishing and deliver enhanced recreational fishing opportunities for all Victorians to enjoy,” Mr Helper said
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benny88
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Posted - 27 Jul 2010 : 10:45:58 AM
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| Your right it doesn't hurt to show your support. Down here in Vic there has been this massive kneejerk reactions and over hyped fear mongering responses to the rediculous proposals of marine parks. Its been to the point that high up members of certain recreational fishing bodies are spreading rumours of cloak and dagger meetings and conspiracy against the common fisho between the government and the greens which is basically a bunch of hogwash. It was very effective and sent the fishing community here into a hysterical spin. 3 days after the proposal was shut down it was still being published in fishing reports from well known tackle shops! All I ask is that you check your facts before posting and try not to sensationalise anything so that a measured and appropriate response can be administered by the fishing communities. |
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BIG
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Posted - 27 Jul 2010 : 11:33:07 AM
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I feel we are on the same page with this.
I also think that the government copping the wrath of fisherman will also make them stop and think. There are probably close to a million fishing licenses across the country, which makes the fishing lobby so much more powerful that it realises and it has taken a lot to wake this sleeping giant, marine parks being a very substantive catalyst. I'll say for the record that I am in favour of properly consulted and researched marine parks, we are all the better for it. What i am against is fanatical minority groups gaining government funding (ie my tax money)without properly scrutined proposals or peer review science body authorisation and then with shoddy and rubbery unscientific data making outragious claims.
The government is aware of the fishing lobby but feels we are unorganised and as such don't worry about us to much, this is starting to change as we are making a greater noise. The marine park mob are well organised and make their mouse like voice roar as we make our lion size voice sqeak. I think it is time we roared and had proper input into our fishing waters.
Again the modern fisherman is more green than the greenies, look at the guys on this site, catch and release is a given.
Sorry for my rant
Cheers
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beats
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Posted - 27 Jul 2010 : 6:40:36 PM
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| Rant away mate if people think marine parks aren't coming under the current Gov they are reading with thier eyes shut, you only need to look at all the proposals |
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benny88
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Posted - 28 Jul 2010 : 08:43:25 AM
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| The proposals are not by the goverment, they are by NGOs and pushed by the greens. They would still exist if the goverment was liberal. |
Edited by - benny88 on 28 Jul 2010 11:49:39 AM |
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Artifact
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Posted - 28 Jul 2010 : 10:07:43 AM
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Does everyone think marine parks are a bad idea? I mean, you're not allowed to fish in national park and there's a heap of creeks in national park that I would love to get a line in. I don't want to see fishing banned, but surely we can look after fish habitat, create healthier populations and provide better fishing as a result? As a conscientious fisherman I think we often forget that a lot of us aren't. Bag limits and other regulations are routinely ignored. A mate of mine who works in water management recently heard through his work (second hand) that in the upper tweed people were seen filling hessian sacks with schooling bass for the freezer. This slash and burn mentality is a real problem.
I'm not flaming here, but as a conservationist and environmentalist I am willing to accept measures to protect a resource which is often taken for granted and whilst I have sympathy for businesses I can't help think that if all the fish are gone they won't be able to make a living either. |
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benny88
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Posted - 28 Jul 2010 : 11:51:14 AM
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| In the national parks in Vic your allowed to fish. |
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Goodoo
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Posted - 28 Jul 2010 : 1:03:31 PM
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| You've summed it up nicely for me Artifact. |
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wildcountry
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Posted - 28 Jul 2010 : 1:40:48 PM
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Yeah I agree with Artifact fully.
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benny88
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Posted - 28 Jul 2010 : 2:18:47 PM
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| How will having marine parks stop people poaching and doing other illegal practices. Its illegal now and it will be illegal after marine parks are established. It is responsible anglers that new marine parks will punish. Yes the fish will be better off but people will still fill hessian sacks with bass. |
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BIG
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Posted - 28 Jul 2010 : 3:19:06 PM
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Originally posted by Artifact
Does everyone think marine parks are a bad idea?
The answer from all responsible bodies is NO. But what is objectionable is the creation of poorly thoughtout, poorly researched, poorly consulted, tradeoff for preference deal and militant style fisherman are bad, greenies are good attitude that really peeves me off. And this is what we are getting shoved done our throats at the moment.
The fisherman who have a greater vested interest in keeping healthy stocks of fish are being shut out. Lets face it we are out there and we could easily act as a policing force for those doing the wrong thing than any government body. All we ask for is a say and let the government take us with them not dictate to score pollitical gain.
Benny88 is correct you can't police for irresponsible people, but you have a better chance if a million license holder, with mobile phones are in support of the proposal.
I have voted for the greens on many occasions but in this instance they have gone too far because they see they have leverage over the Labour Govt. And with this little leverage look at the demands already, image if they hold the balance of power with an increased majority? |
Edited by - BIG on 28 Jul 2010 3:21:05 PM |
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chili
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Posted - 30 Jul 2010 : 10:24:51 AM
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| Since when cant you fish in National Parks. I Fish in many throughout NSW, they actually advertise fishing as an activity. |
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Artifact
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Posted - 30 Jul 2010 : 4:46:26 PM
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Originally posted by chili
Since when cant you fish in National Parks. I Fish in many throughout NSW, they actually advertise fishing as an activity.
By all means correct me if I'm wrong but I understood that fishing was defined as a form of hunting and was illegal within a national park. |
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beats
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Posted - 30 Jul 2010 : 5:04:39 PM
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some national parks do not allow shore based angling, others do, some have area restrictions others do not, just gotta be carefull of signage.
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ELECTION Marine park poll - freshwater next
